Frames vs. No frames!

Hey all...

Tell me if you would rather use frames or no frames for websites? I hear alot of people hate frames because slower computers and systems like MsnTV are not frame friendly but I think frames are easier to use and better for a site. What is your opinion and why?

Agreed, frames are bad!
Was a technique used a lot on older websites, but now its just to old

why dont they just make the bots to look into frames??

You can still optimize pages while you use frames, but it makes your life harder.  Unless you must use frames, it's better not to use them at all.  SE bots are not smart unfortunately, so you need to make adjustments on your side.

If the site is coded in such a way that crawlers can crawl pages without any problem, then you don't have to worry about that.  But this is exactly what I was mentioning about in my last post.  It's a bit cumbersome to ensure that, and you need to work twice as hard in order to get an all right result.  So ... if you must use frames for whatever reason, then I guess you can't get around, but if not, I (and probably many others) highly recommend that you not use frames.

does google index asp sites well?

hey all,

thanks for the reply...i used frames myself once and it looked crappy...id rather use php global header/footer/sidebar than frames 

I have a mixed answer here: I use them in some projects and don't use them in others. IFRAME was quite a good idea 3 years ago and I still have some sites using this.