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« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2006, 02:57:20 »

I have a mixed answer here: I use them in some projects and don't use them in others. IFRAME was quite a good idea 3 years ago and I still have some sites using this.
iframe works well, but if I understand correctly, it's not XHTML compliant.  If I try to make any site standard compliant today, I pick XHTML, not HTML.  We need to use object instead of iframe, don't we?
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« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2006, 03:52:50 »

no iframes seo nightmare use php function include() if you haveto and use divs
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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2006, 20:14:17 »

This could go on and on. I am on the side that says no IFrames. However, it is quite hard, sometimes, to make sites without IFrames. There has to be a way to do it with Javascript or PHP, but I haven't tried yet. I would really go against IFrames because they do not validate and are not visually appealing.

I hope this helps.
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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2006, 13:25:31 »

well i dont like frames but iframes are cool , months ago tried with frames but had problems sice this day If i have to use a frame i use an iframe
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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2006, 15:52:02 »

i think frame pages are bit out-aged! these days most of people use high speed internet so they dont need frames! however sometimes it comes handy
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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2006, 01:22:26 »

since frames are multiple pages shown on one .html page, it's not good for seo and esp. google, is considered spamming because at one time you're feeding the search engine with muliple pages.
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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2006, 07:10:48 »

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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2006, 17:14:32 »

the frames take a litlle bit slowly the system the render of a page take cost 2 at4 times moore. NO FRAMES !!!!
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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2010, 05:13:41 »

As far as frames and iframes, for the most part I do not like them because they aren't the greatest thing for search engines, and you can still pull off the same effect with CSS, tables, and layers (in most cases). Usually I see people using frames because it is the easy way out.
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« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2010, 10:26:25 »

I've kept away from using frames in any of my work where possible. As much as I like some of the features that frames offer, such as a static header area and side menu bar, there is still a number of negative aspects to their use.

So what are these frames (framed sites) anyway?

A frames page itself contains no visible content; it contains instructions on which pages to show simultaneously and how they will be displayed within the browser window . Think of it as a clear overlay, much like a panelled window frame - except this window frame allows you to look into different rooms of the house. A frames page can contain references to many other pages, but usually they consist of references to pages to be used as the header, the content, a left hand menu bar and a perhaps a footer bar. When a hyperlink is clicked in one frame, say the left hand navigation window, it will open a page in the content window, or the target frame.

This makes site-wide changes easy to implement (especially when used in conjunction with Cascading Style Sheets) as you can change the items such as the menu bar and logo for your site in one page, and that will update the entire site.

Using a frame for the header (top) area or navigation bar of your pages will also make it static (fixed) so visitors can easily access menus etc... no more scrolling back up the page.

All this sounds great, but there are a number of points you need to consider before implementing a framed site, especially when using WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) web page editors .

1) Many search engines cannot index framed sites. Because the home page is merely a frame, with very little content or hyperlinks to follow, search engine spiders may stop dead on the page and have 'nothing to report'. A way around this is the proper implementation of Meta tags and use of the "noframes" tag. (See further resources at the end of this article)

2) If a search engine does manage to spider your site, visitors from search engines may land on the content pages, rather than the full-framed version, i.e. they may arrive on your site and all they will see is the menu bar! For a work-around for this issue, see further resources at the end of this article)

3) Non-frames capable browsers. Fortunately, only 1% of visitors' browsers fall into this category. Once again the use of the 'noframes' tag will assist, but to be used effectively you basically need to create two sites, one framed, one not - the "time saving" is suddenly gone.

4) Bookmarking. A visitor cannot bookmark a specific page in your site without requiring additional customised scripting for each page. Even then there is a risk of visitors landing on the content frame, with no navigation frames to view.

5) Visitor opinion. Many find frames annoying.

6) Copyright issues. You'll need to ensure that all links within your site that point to external sources open in a new window to avoid copyright wrangles. There have been legal precedents in relation to this issue. Many site owners object to their content appearing in someone else's frame, to the point that special "frame busting" code is used.

7) Internal linking. Special attention will need to be paid to your internal links to ensure that any page pointing to, for example, the home page opens as a "whole page", otherwise the framed home page will appear in the target window, causing confusion to visitors.

Cool Printing issues. Visitors need to take further steps within their print settings to ensure the information they want is printed correctly. In most cases, a full page cannot be printed as displayed on the screen, only in sections corresponding to the frame.

9) Scroll bars, divider bars. If your framed site uses a number of frames, scroll bars can prove to be unsightly. These can be removed, but check compatibility with other popular browsers. (See further resources at the end of this article)

10) External linkages to your site. If other sites wish to link to specific pages in your site, it is more difficult for them to do so.

11) Refresh/Reload problems. Again, special care needs to be taken with coding otherwise when a visitor tries to refresh a particular page, they may be taken back to the original frameset. A common problem.
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